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[meret.livejournal.com]

Slightly tongue-in-cheek meta
I had a strange thought while watching the show. I’m not saying it was intended this way, but it does fit well. The cylons are fundamentalists! #6 tells Gaius that God has a plan for everyone, and that everything happens for a reason. These are both things that fundamentalist Christians believe. (Some non-fundamentalist Christians believe these also.) Fundamentalists also see women and sex, especially female sexuality, as evil and a sin. Female cylons like Sharon and #6 using their feminine wiles on human males to get want they want fits in with the fundamentalist view of women.

The question then becomes what constitutes God to a machine? Do they worship the original binary code of the first independent thinking cylon as the sacred text? Do they pour over the ones and zeros like the Bible code or Kabala?

ETA - Thought of something else. #6 - could that be short for 666? ;)

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I love Starbuck, and like that they have strong female characters. I *hate* the fact that the two female characters that are sexually active are both evil. They need to show Starbuck as very sexually active. Not with any of the main characters, but show her getting out of bed with different extras from time to time. Not only do I think this would fit her character, (She seems very much in the mold of eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we may die.), but it would counter the evil portrayal of female sexuality in the cylons.

I wonder if more of Sharon’s personality will take over the farther away they get from the cylon planet?

Edward James Olmos is playing the exact same character he played in Miami Vice.

WTF was the president using an analogy about a mistake with Apollo for? Based on current information, it was the right decision. So think about all the lives you saved instead of the ones that were lost and move on. This is war.

IIRC, all the cylons are connected, right? What one knows they all know?

Billy needs to offer the President some loving comfort as stress relief from time to time. It could just be physical on both their parts. She plans to break it off once she and Adama start getting emotionally involved, but he finds out first, and does *not* react well. *g* Either that or both Apollo and Adama could be attracted to her. *g*

Unfortunately I didn’t see any sexual chemistry between Starbuck and Apollo. Maybe that will change in future eps.

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[shetiger.livejournal.com]

Interesting thoughts on the fundamentalism of the cylons. I'm wondering where their going with it. Hopefully it will be interesting.

I love President Roslin as an older, sexual woman. Billy's cute, but I think she has oodles of chemistry with Lee.

Unfortunately I didn’t see any sexual chemistry between Starbuck and Apollo. I see a little, but mostly because they're forcing it to be there. I'm definitely not convinced yet.

[meret.livejournal.com]

Interesting thoughts on the fundamentalism of the cylons. I'm wondering where their going with it.

Based on that 30 minute show about the series, the producer does seem to have it planned out at least, which I take as a good sign.

I see a little, but mostly because they're forcing it to be there. I'm definitely not convinced yet.

ITA! Unfortunately, I'm not sure you can force chemistry. :(

[shetiger.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure you can force chemistry. I don't think so either. I think Katie Sackhoff and Jaimie Bamber are trying to up the tension enought that a little comes through, but really, it's not there. Actually, I think it's because I'm not seeing any sort of friendship type relationship between them, not like the original Starbuck/Apollo.

Meh.

[meret.livejournal.com]

I'm seeing them relate to each other more as siblings than anything else - they may fight among themselves, but they'll defend each other against anyone else. JMO.

I really like KS as Starbuck. I had a problem with JB as Apollo in the mini-series too. Apollo is a natural leader. The actor for me just doesn't project the charisma necessary for that. I think his scenes with EJO have improved a lot though.

[jink98.livejournal.com]

Them acting like siblings makes total sense in the show, seeing as Starbuck was engaged to Apollo's brother. I think there is chemistry there (see: power play/argument about Starbuck taking her stims), but they're both fighting the chemistry BECAUSE Starbuck was almost married to Apollo's brother.

[morwen_peredhil]

I agree. I think they have plenty of chemistry. (It's funny how differently people are perceiving this.) In the situation they're in—painful personal history, new professional relationship, world ending, etc.—I'd fight it too.

The last thing I want is for these two to jump each other's bones ASAP. It's far more delicious this way. The actors both say they'd like something more to happen in the second or third season, assuming we're lucky enough to get them.

[meyerlemon.livejournal.com]

But... aren't the guys who are sexually active pretty much also evil? Dr. Porno=evil. And who else is getting some? Galactica!Boomer's boyfriend? But is Galactica!Boomer actually evil?

I think their relationship is very cute, and I like her character. Dr. Porno's girlfriend is totally evil, but she's not actually human.

I'm just saying. I don't think that in the BSG universe sex=evil. And I'd rather not see anyone sleeping around, but that's because I kind of like plot, and prefer it over Melrose Place style shenanigans. :-p

[meret.livejournal.com]

I'm just saying. I don't think that in the BSG universe sex=evil.

I hope not. I was commenting on women having sex specifically. Of the 4 people they've shown as sexually active, 3 of them are evil. The chief is the only one who isn't. Boomer is a cylon, so yes, I'm counting her as evil too. All of the evil women in the show have been shown as sexually active, while all the good women haven't been. It's early in the show however, so hopefully that will change. I definitely don't want it to be Melrose place, but I don't want 1950's views on good and fallen women either. We'll see what happens. :)

[djfanboy.livejournal.com]

#6 - could that be short for 666?

Could be, since I consider her to be in the same role that was filled by Lucifer, the IR-Series cylon that was Baltar's devil's advocate in the original series.

[meret.livejournal.com]

Excellent point! I watched the orignal series way back when, but I'd totally forgotten that. Thanks! :)

[djfanboy.livejournal.com]

just something that hit me, after watching the miniseries a couple times...

[reginaspina.livejournal.com]

WTF was the president using an analogy about a mistake with Apollo for? Based on current information, it was the right decision. So think about all the lives you saved instead of the ones that were lost and move on. This is war.


See, I was disappointed when it was just Apollo's father saying "you move on." Because yes, you do, but it would be terrible if Apollo just forgot, you know? I think there's no doubt that they made the right decision, but Apollo's still the one directly responsible (as he pulled the trigger) for the possible deaths of 1300 people and it's right that he feels guilt for it. In fact, I loved the parallel scenes between him and his father, who tells him to move on and not think about it; and between him and the President (who I really see as having more of a motherly vibe towards him) who tells him that you must never stop remembering even when you don't let it paralyze you. It made me respect all of them more, rather than less.

[jink98.livejournal.com]

"you move on." Because yes, you do, but it would be terrible if Apollo just forgot, you know?

Very much so. However, I think the original comment that the president's analogy was off is correct. It was good that she gave him permission to remember, and to be effected by the (potential) loss of all of those civilians, but she specifically named it a MISTAKE with her analogy. I don't think it was a mistake, and I was disappointed with her because of that. Adama's insistance that "you move on" (implying that you forget about it and put it in the past) was very GWB-like, which made me cringe. Roslin's approach was much more compassionate, which makes sense because she is a woman. I just wish she hadn't implied that "it's ok, you have to remember your mistakes so you don't repeat them", because the decision to blow up that ship was not a mistake based on the information that they had at the time. It was a hard, terrible decision to have to make, but it wasn't a mistake.

[reginaspina.livejournal.com]

It was a hard, terrible decision to have to make, but it wasn't a mistake.

I don't know that they'll ever be 100% sure - I wondered what role their incredible fatigue played in their inability to find other alternatives...

I think she was not, perhaps, trying to say that she or Adama or Lee had made a mistake - just that that kind of choice can never become an easy one if they are to survive in the way that they WANT to be, if that makes sense. Anyway, I loved that they threw in that scene because I was, frankly, a little disappointed that Adama sort of dismissed what Lee was feeling so quickly.

[meret.livejournal.com]

I may be misremembering the scene, but I thought he was dismissing Apollo's doubts that they did the right thing more than dismissing the incident all together. Though I think he was definitely telling him to put the past behind him. I agree he was insensitive. However I think that makes the character much more interesting. IMO cutting off his feelings is the only way Adama's been able to get throgh this and do what has to be done. He's offering his son the solution he's found. I don't agree with the solution, but I think he was trying to help.

[meret.livejournal.com]

I just wish she hadn't implied that "it's ok, you have to remember your mistakes so you don't repeat them", because the decision to blow up that ship was not a mistake based on the information that they had at the time. It was a hard, terrible decision to have to make, but it wasn't a mistake.

That was my objection to it. If she had brought up a situation where a hard, but correct, choice was made that the former president often thought of, I would have had no problem with the scene.

[morwen_peredhil]

Yes, I wish they'd made it clearer that while the second-guessing and feelings of horror and regret were normal and justifiable, it's not because any reasonable person would consider destroying that ship was a mistake.

If Roslin had just said that the late president had kept a list of everyone who died—rightfully or wrongly—because of his decisions, it would have worked.

[mikou.livejournal.com]

I could understand the President telling Apollo to remember what had happened. You lose a part of your humanity if you can do that sort of thing without caring about the losses. However, I agree that it was oddly phrased--to the point that it sounded like she wouldn't have done it if she could rewind the hands of time.

I don't understand that. It might have been interesting if they had made it more ambiguous--if, for instance, Lee had seen faces peering out of the port holes. Or if they had the Cylons show up one last time after they jumped away from the Olympia. But all evidence pointed to the conclusion they reached. Though there might have been human uncertainty, there was nothing contradicting their conclusion.

However, tragic the loss, they had to balance the lives of 47,000+ people versus 1300 who were might already be dead. As horrible as it was, I wouldn't have classified it as a *mistake.* Instead, it was a horrible step they needed to take in order to ensure their survival.

[meret.livejournal.com]

As horrible as it was, I wouldn't have classified it as a *mistake.* Instead, it was a horrible step they needed to take in order to ensure their survival.

That's the way I felt too.