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13thcolonyWoo-hoo! I loved tonight's episode! :)
What I loved:
I just finished watching it, and I feel like jumping up and down!!! I wanted to celebrate with them. They so needed a victory, and this one was great! :D
The scene in the war room where Bill was telling Kara that the transition from pilot to command was hard for him too was terrific! He so sees himself in her. I can totally see Kara ending up in command of the fleet and Lee as President.
So based on prophecy, we know Laura won't reach the promised land of earth, which I guess makes her Moses. It may or may not be the cancer that kills her though.
I was intrigued by 6 affirming Colonial scripture near the end. I guess in my mind, I'd thought the cylons looked at colonial religion the way fundamentalists christians look at Islam, and fundamentalists muslims look at christians. (Meaning they consider them infidels with no real religion.) Now it appears to me that the cylons, or at least the 6 in Baltar's head, view the colonial religion as many Christians view the Old Testament - a part of God's plan, but not the final answer.
I loved the celtic music in this ep, especially the song at the end.
Overthinking! That's exactly what I've said - that Lee's intellect is his greatest strength and greatest flaw; just as Kara's greatest strength and greatest flaw is her reliance on her gut. They are two sides of a coin, yin and yang. I *loved* that in this ep, to succeed each one had to do it by depending on characteristics they don't normally rely on; each had to emulate the other in a way. Lee had to follow a hunch that the tunnel would lead him where he needed to go even though there was no real evidence of that, and Kara had to rely on planning rather than reacting. Squee! :)
What did the lighter that Bill gave Lee say, please? I couldn't make it out.
I loved the backdoor plan!
What I liked:
Was anyone else thinking, "Use the force, Lee!", when he was heading down the tunnel to blow up the refinery? *g* (I think it was the refinery.)
I wonder if Caprica!Sharon is pregnant? I'd wondered if it was part of the cylon plan to have Helo impregnate her. At this point, I'm guessing it's either that, or the cylons are sending her some signal to make her sick and slow her down. This is total speculation on my part, BTW. I don't read spoilers.
What I didn't like:
I didn't like Bill's response to Lee about Kara leading the squadron in the lighter scene. I think him saying, "Because you're my son," was meant to be sweet, reassuring response, but it didn't come across that way to me at all. IMO, there are two ways to interpret his statement. Either Bill's just basing his opinion on sentiment and the love of a father toward a son, or he means Lee has his DNA, and he's so great that of course Lee will do well just because he's his son. Neither expresses faith in Lee's abilities. I think that was poor writing. Emphasizing the father/son relationship and love was the right answer when Lee expressed doubts to Bill about him preferring Kara over Lee in YCGHA. I don't think it was the right answer here.
Still don't like what they're doing with Baltar. I don't expect or even want to like all the characters or always agree with what they do. I do want them to be consistent though. Why did Baltar guess about the target to hit? Why not just say I don't know? I haven't seen any evidence before this that his, admittedly huge, ego was worth more to him than his life. In the mini-series and the first 5 eps or so, self-preservation seemed to be his driving characteristic. We've now seen him make several decisions that seem to put his own survival in jeopardy, (not telling the others that Boomer is a cylon for example), and have been given no good reason for it other than that's he insane. If that's the case, he's far less interesting to me than he was before. Now if he does become a convert that believes that God is guiding him so everything he does is part of God's plan and therefore right, fine. That would explain his making choices contrary to his immediate survival, though he would still be less interesting to me that way. But that wasn't the case in his making the guess about the target. At the moment, he's the weakest written character IMO.
*going to watch it again and then listen to the podcast*
What I loved:
I just finished watching it, and I feel like jumping up and down!!! I wanted to celebrate with them. They so needed a victory, and this one was great! :D
The scene in the war room where Bill was telling Kara that the transition from pilot to command was hard for him too was terrific! He so sees himself in her. I can totally see Kara ending up in command of the fleet and Lee as President.
So based on prophecy, we know Laura won't reach the promised land of earth, which I guess makes her Moses. It may or may not be the cancer that kills her though.
I was intrigued by 6 affirming Colonial scripture near the end. I guess in my mind, I'd thought the cylons looked at colonial religion the way fundamentalists christians look at Islam, and fundamentalists muslims look at christians. (Meaning they consider them infidels with no real religion.) Now it appears to me that the cylons, or at least the 6 in Baltar's head, view the colonial religion as many Christians view the Old Testament - a part of God's plan, but not the final answer.
I loved the celtic music in this ep, especially the song at the end.
Overthinking! That's exactly what I've said - that Lee's intellect is his greatest strength and greatest flaw; just as Kara's greatest strength and greatest flaw is her reliance on her gut. They are two sides of a coin, yin and yang. I *loved* that in this ep, to succeed each one had to do it by depending on characteristics they don't normally rely on; each had to emulate the other in a way. Lee had to follow a hunch that the tunnel would lead him where he needed to go even though there was no real evidence of that, and Kara had to rely on planning rather than reacting. Squee! :)
What did the lighter that Bill gave Lee say, please? I couldn't make it out.
I loved the backdoor plan!
What I liked:
Was anyone else thinking, "Use the force, Lee!", when he was heading down the tunnel to blow up the refinery? *g* (I think it was the refinery.)
I wonder if Caprica!Sharon is pregnant? I'd wondered if it was part of the cylon plan to have Helo impregnate her. At this point, I'm guessing it's either that, or the cylons are sending her some signal to make her sick and slow her down. This is total speculation on my part, BTW. I don't read spoilers.
What I didn't like:
I didn't like Bill's response to Lee about Kara leading the squadron in the lighter scene. I think him saying, "Because you're my son," was meant to be sweet, reassuring response, but it didn't come across that way to me at all. IMO, there are two ways to interpret his statement. Either Bill's just basing his opinion on sentiment and the love of a father toward a son, or he means Lee has his DNA, and he's so great that of course Lee will do well just because he's his son. Neither expresses faith in Lee's abilities. I think that was poor writing. Emphasizing the father/son relationship and love was the right answer when Lee expressed doubts to Bill about him preferring Kara over Lee in YCGHA. I don't think it was the right answer here.
Still don't like what they're doing with Baltar. I don't expect or even want to like all the characters or always agree with what they do. I do want them to be consistent though. Why did Baltar guess about the target to hit? Why not just say I don't know? I haven't seen any evidence before this that his, admittedly huge, ego was worth more to him than his life. In the mini-series and the first 5 eps or so, self-preservation seemed to be his driving characteristic. We've now seen him make several decisions that seem to put his own survival in jeopardy, (not telling the others that Boomer is a cylon for example), and have been given no good reason for it other than that's he insane. If that's the case, he's far less interesting to me than he was before. Now if he does become a convert that believes that God is guiding him so everything he does is part of God's plan and therefore right, fine. That would explain his making choices contrary to his immediate survival, though he would still be less interesting to me that way. But that wasn't the case in his making the guess about the target. At the moment, he's the weakest written character IMO.
*going to watch it again and then listen to the podcast*
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Date: 2005-03-12 07:57 am (UTC)I loved him giving Lee the lighter. It was just that one line I had a problem with.
Baltar's huge ego always put his survival in danger
Can you give me some examples please? I haven't seen the mini since it was first broadcast, so I may have totally forgotten some scenes.
I like your take on the Sharon sickness thing, I kinda missed that one.
Thanks! It may be what Helo suggested - that she's not taking her anti-radiation meds. I could see her wanting to save them for Helo, and not feel that she deserves to take them. It's fun to speculate. :)
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Date: 2005-03-12 05:55 pm (UTC)In an earlier episode, Starbuck had crashed and Adama risked the safety of the fleet to hunt for her. Lee didn't have a problem but on some level he questioned his father's devotion to him and asked what he would do if it were him and Adama said "You're my son I would Never give up looking for you." Adama lost another son that Starbuck had trained and he wasn't quite up to snuff as a pilot but was engaged to Starbuck who passed him in flight training. The other son supposedly died in a flight accident. I think Adama would spill out some of those feelings about his other son toward Starbuck.
He possibly identifies with Starbuck because he too protected that other son's weakness like Starbuck and they share the love and guilt for that.
In the very first episode I believe, you see Baltar in bed with another woman and Six walks in and of course has an in depth conversation with him, lol. But the impression of a dangerous womanizer, work-a-holic, arrogant Dr. is made. When he finds he's responsible for the demise of the human race, what he really is upset about is that they might be able to blame him and that he might be crazy since he sees Six and nobody else does. With Gaius it's all me, me, me.
And won't it be interesting to see what happens with Sharon and Helo, I love sub-plots.
This is my favorite sci-fi series ever and what I think they have hands-down over the top, is character development and understanding of human nature. This series is science-fiction at it's absolute best.
And thanks for being cool about seeing the character's actions differently :)
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Date: 2005-03-13 02:18 am (UTC)ITA! That's exactly why I have a problem with him putting anything, including his ego, over his own survival. To me it's not consistent with his character. JMO.
And thanks for being cool about seeing the character's actions differently :)</i Oh, no problem!!! I enjoy discussing things, and always welcome other opinions. :)