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[meret.livejournal.com]

I'm still obsessed with this ep! More thoughts on KLG2, the podcast and the deleted scenes. :)

KLG2
This episode is so jam-packed with stuff, there were quite a few details I didn't notice on first viewing. Except for the fact I wouldn't have avoided being spoiled for the shooting that way, I think I'm glad I didn't see these two for the first time back to back. I'm not sure my heart would have taken it! *g*

Things I noticed the 2nd time include Adama saying "If she can turn Kara against me, she's capable of anything."

In the long run, I think this will actually be good for Kara and Bill's relationship. Before the series started, I think they both had each other on a pedestal. Learning she passed Zack when she shouldn't have helped Bill see her more realistically, and I think finding out Adama lied about earth will help Kara to do the same. "Daddy" is human.

Both Adama and Laura think the other is going to back down. I think Lee knows that neither of them will.

I love the way KS says I'm home. :)

I've figured it out - Lee and Laura, and Kara and Bill marry now, then once Laura and Bill are dead, Lee and Kara cam marry each other. ;)

If Helo plans to take Caprica!Sharon back to Galactica with him, he better plan on spending the rest of his life as her body guard, because someone, especially Lee, Kara or Tigh, will kill her the first chance they get. I think they should too. Galactica!Sharon shows cylons can't be trusted, even when they want to do the right thing. It's in their programming, or their "destiny" as they would say. Sharon was as stunned by what she did at the end as anyone.

I wondered if Kara had ever been to this museum on a field trip or something as a kid.

I love Crash kicking the wreckage when he walks away from Tyrol.

Lee is not having good luck with the women in his life - Laura, Kara, Boomer. What's next, Cally and Dualla giving him a wedgie? ;)

I would have loved to see 6 kiss Kara and ask her if she's alive. *g*

I love Lee's face before he decides to draw on Tigh.

I like Lee's hands being literally being "tied" when his father is shot.

Podcast

Until RM mentioned the press listening in, I wasn't sure Laura wasn't making that part up. I still can't see them in any of the shots. All I see is her staff and bodyguards. Are they supposed to be listening in from the cargo hold? And if they are listening in, then what is Adama going to do? Arrest them all to keep the story from getting out? Hold them until he can tell his side of the story?

I thought it was very interesting that RM uses words like military coup, and subvert the lawful democracy, but seems to agree with Adama's decision. That's the impression I got anyway. I don't understand his categorizing of Adama as a civil libertarian. That doesn't jibe with a someone who starts a military coup to me.

I liked RM characterizing Laura as capable of tougher things than Adama is. I think she had that strength all along, but the knowledge she's going to die soon probably helps gives her a sense of freedom to do what she has to.

Oh, the fic possibilities if the cylons want the humans for breeding stock! *eg*

I'm soooo glad they cut the Jimi Hendrix song and Dirk Benedict as God idea. Yech!

I liked learning that Lee deliberately set up non-military people as Laura's secret service guards.

Deleted Scenes
Of all the deleted scenes, I think the two from KLG2 may be my favorites. I love Billy's anger at the president for risking what they've worked for, and Laura's assurance that she always wants him to speak his mind. I love the fact that even when she's driving him up the wall, they still deeply respect and care about each other. I don't know what else I would have had them cut instead, but I wish they could have included Billy talking about her agreement with the commander. I think this scene makes him standing up against Tigh with the president even more meaningful. ETA - I was a little surprised Billy knew about the agreement. I didn't remember him knowing that.

Plus I *adore* the scene with Lee and Laura! I'd hate to have to try and win an argument with her. *g* Poor Lee! He's caught in the middle once again. His hesitant after thought of "I hope that's not an insult" is adorable! I also love his wishing her luck with his father. So cute! :)

Hot picture of Tahmoh Penikett here.

Comments

[meyerlemon.livejournal.com]

The humans as breeding stock! Was that on the Podcast?

I'm deeply intrigued.

[meret.livejournal.com]

I don't think he uses those terms, but something he said put the idea in my head. I listened to it last night, so I don't remember what exactly inspired the idea.

[meyerlemon.livejournal.com]

Hmmm! This is very interesting indeed!

[daygloparker.livejournal.com]

I don't understand his categorizing of Adama as a civil libertarian. That doesn't jibe with a someone who starts a military coup to me.

What I got out of that was, Adama isn't arresting Roslin because he wants to seize power and have control over the entire fleet. He's arresting her because he believes that she has violated the agreement they made in the miniseries and that letting this go will only encourage further violations (and possibly larger more consequential ones). Roslin says he's staging a military coup, but the fact that RDM says that Adama's acting on behalf of civil liberties could mean that we're not supposed to actually see Adama's actions AS a military coup. (Did I make any sense? *g*)

[meret.livejournal.com]

Adama isn't arresting Roslin because he wants to seize power and have control over the entire fleet. He's arresting her because he believes that she has violated the agreement they made in the miniseries

ITA. I also think he's acting from anger at her persuading Kara against him too, but I don't think it's for power.

From what I remember *RM* says he's staging a military coup too. He uses those words to describe what Adama does.

[telepresence.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I think the big thing here is that he is in fact staging a coup, but because he feels Roslin is unstable and dangerous to the military chain of command (subverting his officers) and the fleet, not because he has any intrinsic interest in siezing power. That the two officers she's tended to have the most worrisome effect on are his son and his surrogate daughter certainly add some emotional flavors, but I really do think he mostly just thinks she's out of control, setting her own crazy prophesy agenda.

I'm pretty sympathetic to both of them here. Adama is right...ish. Roslin is being pretty wacky, and convincing Kara to take the raider is just a huge bad idea. On the other hand, a thing can be both crazy and true. With the entire human race at stake, Roslin can't prioritize not antagonizing Adama if he refuses to believe in her, not when (by all indications within the series so far) she's not merely delusional.

[meret.livejournal.com]

I'm pretty sympathetic to both of them here. Adama is right...ish. Roslin is being pretty wacky,

I'm definitely not in favor of a president deciding policy based on religious beliefs. For me, what Adama does by overthrowing the government is even scarier though. JMO

[telepresence.livejournal.com]

Oh certainly. I guess I should say, I'm sympathetic to the thinking that led both of them to do what they did, even though I think they both did bad things. I'm just glad military vs. civilian conflicts are handled so much better in this series than in the original, where 99 percent of the time the civilians were just antagonistic strawmen to make Adama and co look good. I love the old series but if I had any big beef with it, that was it.

[grace-om.livejournal.com]

I haven't listened to the podcast or watched the deleteds yet, so I'm probably talking out of turn but...

In the first shot around Colonial One when Roslin tells Adama the press are there, you can see people who look like press. Later on, they're gone--hiding in the cargo hold, I guess?

I also wanted to comment on Adama's grab for power...

First, if he truly believed Roslin was going insane and was unfit to serve as President, he should have taken his evidence to the quorum and persuaded them to depose her. He had no legal right to take it upon himself to "terminate" her presidency (IIRC, his words). He couldn't even claim an emergency at that point, since the Raider was already gone, and plan B for destroying the basestar at Kobol was in progress. BUT if he had taken his issues to the quorum, presumably Roslin would have had the right to defend herself. Once they all found out that he has no idea where Earth is, and had lied through his teeth, would they have listened to him on anything else, ever again?

IOW, I think he acted because he was pi$$ed off about Starbuck, but also because he was afraid Roslin would spill the beans to everyone.

As for their agreement in the mini... He coerced her into giving him an autonomy he had no legal right to. As she was an unknown entity at that point, I can see why he did it, but to expect her to prioritize a coerced promise to him over what she believes (rightly or wrongly) to be the only hope of a viable future for humanity...a little unrealistic on his part, imo.

Grace

[meret.livejournal.com]

In the first shot around Colonial One when Roslin tells Adama the press are there, you can see people who look like press. Later on, they're gone--hiding in the cargo hold, I guess?

They look like the same people holding guns against Tigh later to me. I must be mistaken though.

he was afraid Roslin would spill the beans to everyone.

I hadn't even thought about that!

As for their agreement in the mini... He coerced her into giving him an autonomy he had no legal right to. As she was an unknown entity at that point, I can see why he did it, but to expect her to prioritize a coerced promise to him over what she believes (rightly or wrongly) to be the only hope of a viable future for humanity...a little unrealistic on his part, imo.

I agree. To me, the law trumps a personal agreement, (I think Adama would believe just the opposite though.), at least in a situation as serious as this. Plus, as you say, that was when she an unknown entity. I think she's earned her right to govern at this point.