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13thcolony2005-02-26 12:21 am
morwen_peredhil) wrote in 13thcolony2005-02-26 12:21 am
1.08 "Flesh and Bone" *spoilers*
There is still a tragic lack of Apollo, but other than that BSG is back in form. My thoughts, shallow and otherwise, behind the cut.
So kamala (sp?) makes Roslin have prescient dreams, or is it some unknown Cylon power? I don't really like this woowoo stuff.
In Apollo news, we sadly only see him for a brief period in the CIC, fully clothed. Better luck next week.
I liked that Starbuck called the Raider "her." She did say the Raider was a girl last week. In this scene, Kara talks about her family for the first time, saying "My mom always said there was nothing in there anyway," when Adama warns her that Leoben will try to get into her head. Nice. I figured she came from a frakked-up family.
We catch Boomer stroking the Raider again, only this time she's singing to it. Creepy. Then she finally comes out and says, "I'm a Cylon." Don't pretend you haven't been thinking that, Tyrol. The fact that she asks if it would make a difference to their relationship if she could prove she was human shows me that she just doesn't get why Tyrol dumped her. Is she really that obtuse?
Off Starbuck goes on her Cylon-interrogating mission to the Geminon Traveler. Leoben may not be as much of a looker as the Boomers and Sixes, but he does have a certain attraction. He also appears to be batshit crazy, even by Cylon standards. The Sixes are garden-variety religious fanatics; the Leobens appear to be insane seers. "So you pray to Artemis and Aphrodite?" he asks rhetorically. Of course she does.
"I don't think the gods answer the prayers of toasters." Hee! That Starbuck has a way with words. When Leoben tells her she stinks, I'll bet it was because of the Raider goo she just showered off. To a Cylon nose, I suppose it would be as if she came in reeking of wet dog. And WTF was in Starbuck's lunch? Whatever it was, it was even worse than Galactica food.
Leoben starts the Cylon godtalk. He says that he's more than this body, more than this consciousness. (If this is so, then why are the Cylons so dead set on passing their consciousnesses on to new bodies rather than just dying? Perhaps they're not so certain of their souls and their god as they'd like us to believe.)
So the Cylons have hunger because hunger, like pain and sweating, is part of being human. Starbuck tells him that he has to feel it or else it proves he's not a person but just a machine. Humans have no choice, and it seems that Cylons do but must make the right choice in order to be people. So much good stuff here! Let the games begin.
Back on Galactica, Six is in her red dress again, presumably because she's pleased with Baltar's conversion. This Six doesn't like Boomer either. That horndog Baltar does, though. Six wonders why they call her Boomer. Baltar asks, but she doesn't tell. Rats! She does guilt-trip him into Cylon-testing her. "She shoots, she scores," says Six, clapping. This is where I cracked up, because both Grace Park and Tricia Helfer are Canadian. A hockey joke. I am a happy woman.
Caprica, 25th day. It looks like Boomer is feeling Helo's pulse. We all know how important the question "Are you alive?" is to the Cylons. CapricaSix hates on "Sharon" some more. "She is one of them." But Doral tells her that it's best to remember that Boomer is one of us.
Boomer: "We had sex."
Doral (deadpan): "Congratulations."
Helo has to love Boomer, and he has to say it aloud and stay with her to make a life together or Boomer must kill him. Six enjoys saying that, but Boomer doesn't look like she'll be able to do it. We see her thinking of meaningful moments she's had with Helo as she runs back to him. Time will tell how human this Boomer has become.
More important Cylon religion: Leoben says he's god, we're all god, and that he sees "the love that binds all living things together." He repeats his claim from the miniseries that god created the Cylons because humans repaid his divine love with evil. I was sputtering at that, and Starbuck tells him what I'd like to say to him, too: "Gods had nothing to do with it. We created you. It was a stupid frakked-up decision, and we have paid for it. You slaughtered my entire civilization. That is sin. That is evil, and you are evil."
(Am I the only one whose mind immediately went into the gutter when Leoben had Starbuck up against the door and told her he had a surprise for her? Hmm, Starbuck/Leoben is actually kind of hot, but I digress.)
What was Adama doing with Leoben's body? The way he held the phone like he wanted to bash the body some more freaked me out plenty.
I guess they have enough water now to waste a big tub of it in the interrogation room. The mutual mindfrak continues. Another good Starbuck line: "It's your chance to find out if you're really god, or just a bunch of circuits with a bad haircut." She torments him by saying that inside his hard drive it says, "I don't have a soul, I have software. If I die, I'm gone." As I said above, this does seem to be a Cylon concern.
Leoben strikes back with an apparently accurate assessment of Starbuck's mother and the damage that she did to her daughter (in rambling seer-speak):
I have a soul. I see patterns. I know you. You're damaged. You were born to a woman who believed that suffering was good for the soul, so you suffered. Life is a testament to pain, injuries, accidents. Some inflicted upon others, others inflicted upon yourself. It surrounds you like a bubble, but it's not real. That's just something she put into your head. It's something that you want to believe, because it means that you're the problem, not the world that you live in. You want to believe it because it means that you're bad luck, like a cancer that needs to be removed, because you hear her voice every day and you want her to be right."
The reference to cancer made me think of Roslin, with whom Leoben has some sort of psychic connection. Do the Cylons know she has cancer?
More background on Boomer: She's from (or thinks she's from, since Six tells Baltar she's lying) a mining settlement called Troy, where there was a tragic explosion that allegedly killed her whole family along with many others. Whoa. The Cylon detector really works. What the hell is Six up to? She helps Baltar create the Cylon detector, and then scares him out of reporting a detected Cylon. He'd obviously like to nail Boomer, so he didn't need all that much convincing. Baltar's penis: destroyer of worlds.
As Roslin heads to the Geminon Traveler after having another vision of Leoben, he continues to mess with Starbuck's head. "I remember the last time I was the interrogator and you were the prisoner. The players change; the story remains the same. And this time, this time, your role is to deliver my soul unto god. Do it for me. It's your destiny, and mine." So the Cylons believe in reincarnation, which is not surprising since they know they'll end up in a new body if they can reach it. What is surprising is that they believe humans are reincarnated, too (we haven't yet learned enough of Colonial religion to know if belief in reincarnation is common among humans), and that the souls are interchangeable. Wow.
Leoben tells Kara that they will find Kobol, "birthplace of us all," and that it will lead them to Earth. Hell, he seems to have been right about Starbuck's past and psyche, so I believe him.
Enter Roslin, wondering what the hell is going on. What exactly did she expect when she ordered the interrogation, or is it an act for Leoben's benefit? (Hey, Roslin has a pair of slacks! I think this is the first time we've seen her in anything but a skirt.) This is where we find out that Roslin can be cold as ice when she has to. The way she apologized and promised him his life if he'd cooperate, then proceeded to have him spaced when she had what she needed was breathtaking. And when Leoben asked her not to be too hard on Kara because the military teaches dehumanization, I thought it was pretty damn rich coming from a member of a race that just committed a genocide that killed tens of billions of humans.
Then he whispers in her ear that Adama is a Cylon. I suppose she has to space him after that, but they both know it's coming anyway. "He's a machine, and you don't keep a deadly machine around. When it kills your people and threatens your future, you get rid of it." True, and I'd add that it goes for humans as well, so in that sense it doesn't matter whether Leoben is a person or just a machine.
Starbuck bonded with him just as she did with her Raider. There's something special about Starbuck that makes the Cylons like her (except for the Six in Baltar's head, but she's jealous and may be only a figment of his psychosis anyway). She looked like she was going to cry when she put her hand against his, and then they spaced him. She did her best to send his soul, if he had one, on its way. One of her god statues was obviously Artemis, but I couldn't tell who the other one was.
So how much doubt did Leoben manage to sow in Roslin about Adama? She sure was looking at him strangely in the last scene. I wonder what her instincts are telling her.
Great episode, if a tad light on the Apollo.
(Crossposted to my journal)
So kamala (sp?) makes Roslin have prescient dreams, or is it some unknown Cylon power? I don't really like this woowoo stuff.
In Apollo news, we sadly only see him for a brief period in the CIC, fully clothed. Better luck next week.
I liked that Starbuck called the Raider "her." She did say the Raider was a girl last week. In this scene, Kara talks about her family for the first time, saying "My mom always said there was nothing in there anyway," when Adama warns her that Leoben will try to get into her head. Nice. I figured she came from a frakked-up family.
We catch Boomer stroking the Raider again, only this time she's singing to it. Creepy. Then she finally comes out and says, "I'm a Cylon." Don't pretend you haven't been thinking that, Tyrol. The fact that she asks if it would make a difference to their relationship if she could prove she was human shows me that she just doesn't get why Tyrol dumped her. Is she really that obtuse?
Off Starbuck goes on her Cylon-interrogating mission to the Geminon Traveler. Leoben may not be as much of a looker as the Boomers and Sixes, but he does have a certain attraction. He also appears to be batshit crazy, even by Cylon standards. The Sixes are garden-variety religious fanatics; the Leobens appear to be insane seers. "So you pray to Artemis and Aphrodite?" he asks rhetorically. Of course she does.
"I don't think the gods answer the prayers of toasters." Hee! That Starbuck has a way with words. When Leoben tells her she stinks, I'll bet it was because of the Raider goo she just showered off. To a Cylon nose, I suppose it would be as if she came in reeking of wet dog. And WTF was in Starbuck's lunch? Whatever it was, it was even worse than Galactica food.
Leoben starts the Cylon godtalk. He says that he's more than this body, more than this consciousness. (If this is so, then why are the Cylons so dead set on passing their consciousnesses on to new bodies rather than just dying? Perhaps they're not so certain of their souls and their god as they'd like us to believe.)
So the Cylons have hunger because hunger, like pain and sweating, is part of being human. Starbuck tells him that he has to feel it or else it proves he's not a person but just a machine. Humans have no choice, and it seems that Cylons do but must make the right choice in order to be people. So much good stuff here! Let the games begin.
Back on Galactica, Six is in her red dress again, presumably because she's pleased with Baltar's conversion. This Six doesn't like Boomer either. That horndog Baltar does, though. Six wonders why they call her Boomer. Baltar asks, but she doesn't tell. Rats! She does guilt-trip him into Cylon-testing her. "She shoots, she scores," says Six, clapping. This is where I cracked up, because both Grace Park and Tricia Helfer are Canadian. A hockey joke. I am a happy woman.
Caprica, 25th day. It looks like Boomer is feeling Helo's pulse. We all know how important the question "Are you alive?" is to the Cylons. CapricaSix hates on "Sharon" some more. "She is one of them." But Doral tells her that it's best to remember that Boomer is one of us.
Boomer: "We had sex."
Doral (deadpan): "Congratulations."
Helo has to love Boomer, and he has to say it aloud and stay with her to make a life together or Boomer must kill him. Six enjoys saying that, but Boomer doesn't look like she'll be able to do it. We see her thinking of meaningful moments she's had with Helo as she runs back to him. Time will tell how human this Boomer has become.
More important Cylon religion: Leoben says he's god, we're all god, and that he sees "the love that binds all living things together." He repeats his claim from the miniseries that god created the Cylons because humans repaid his divine love with evil. I was sputtering at that, and Starbuck tells him what I'd like to say to him, too: "Gods had nothing to do with it. We created you. It was a stupid frakked-up decision, and we have paid for it. You slaughtered my entire civilization. That is sin. That is evil, and you are evil."
(Am I the only one whose mind immediately went into the gutter when Leoben had Starbuck up against the door and told her he had a surprise for her? Hmm, Starbuck/Leoben is actually kind of hot, but I digress.)
What was Adama doing with Leoben's body? The way he held the phone like he wanted to bash the body some more freaked me out plenty.
I guess they have enough water now to waste a big tub of it in the interrogation room. The mutual mindfrak continues. Another good Starbuck line: "It's your chance to find out if you're really god, or just a bunch of circuits with a bad haircut." She torments him by saying that inside his hard drive it says, "I don't have a soul, I have software. If I die, I'm gone." As I said above, this does seem to be a Cylon concern.
Leoben strikes back with an apparently accurate assessment of Starbuck's mother and the damage that she did to her daughter (in rambling seer-speak):
I have a soul. I see patterns. I know you. You're damaged. You were born to a woman who believed that suffering was good for the soul, so you suffered. Life is a testament to pain, injuries, accidents. Some inflicted upon others, others inflicted upon yourself. It surrounds you like a bubble, but it's not real. That's just something she put into your head. It's something that you want to believe, because it means that you're the problem, not the world that you live in. You want to believe it because it means that you're bad luck, like a cancer that needs to be removed, because you hear her voice every day and you want her to be right."
The reference to cancer made me think of Roslin, with whom Leoben has some sort of psychic connection. Do the Cylons know she has cancer?
More background on Boomer: She's from (or thinks she's from, since Six tells Baltar she's lying) a mining settlement called Troy, where there was a tragic explosion that allegedly killed her whole family along with many others. Whoa. The Cylon detector really works. What the hell is Six up to? She helps Baltar create the Cylon detector, and then scares him out of reporting a detected Cylon. He'd obviously like to nail Boomer, so he didn't need all that much convincing. Baltar's penis: destroyer of worlds.
As Roslin heads to the Geminon Traveler after having another vision of Leoben, he continues to mess with Starbuck's head. "I remember the last time I was the interrogator and you were the prisoner. The players change; the story remains the same. And this time, this time, your role is to deliver my soul unto god. Do it for me. It's your destiny, and mine." So the Cylons believe in reincarnation, which is not surprising since they know they'll end up in a new body if they can reach it. What is surprising is that they believe humans are reincarnated, too (we haven't yet learned enough of Colonial religion to know if belief in reincarnation is common among humans), and that the souls are interchangeable. Wow.
Leoben tells Kara that they will find Kobol, "birthplace of us all," and that it will lead them to Earth. Hell, he seems to have been right about Starbuck's past and psyche, so I believe him.
Enter Roslin, wondering what the hell is going on. What exactly did she expect when she ordered the interrogation, or is it an act for Leoben's benefit? (Hey, Roslin has a pair of slacks! I think this is the first time we've seen her in anything but a skirt.) This is where we find out that Roslin can be cold as ice when she has to. The way she apologized and promised him his life if he'd cooperate, then proceeded to have him spaced when she had what she needed was breathtaking. And when Leoben asked her not to be too hard on Kara because the military teaches dehumanization, I thought it was pretty damn rich coming from a member of a race that just committed a genocide that killed tens of billions of humans.
Then he whispers in her ear that Adama is a Cylon. I suppose she has to space him after that, but they both know it's coming anyway. "He's a machine, and you don't keep a deadly machine around. When it kills your people and threatens your future, you get rid of it." True, and I'd add that it goes for humans as well, so in that sense it doesn't matter whether Leoben is a person or just a machine.
Starbuck bonded with him just as she did with her Raider. There's something special about Starbuck that makes the Cylons like her (except for the Six in Baltar's head, but she's jealous and may be only a figment of his psychosis anyway). She looked like she was going to cry when she put her hand against his, and then they spaced him. She did her best to send his soul, if he had one, on its way. One of her god statues was obviously Artemis, but I couldn't tell who the other one was.
So how much doubt did Leoben manage to sow in Roslin about Adama? She sure was looking at him strangely in the last scene. I wonder what her instincts are telling her.
Great episode, if a tad light on the Apollo.
(Crossposted to my journal)
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she just doesn't get why Tyrol dumped her. Is she really that obtuse?
I think we're seeing fairly consistently that while Cylons are eerily good at mimicking humans, or even being humans, they're still somewhat flawed at understanding whole human emotion. Boomer doesn't quite get how to relate to her two men. Six is all about sex and obsession. Six tells Boomer on the planet that 'if he doesn't say I love you it doesn't count'--not accepting that actions can speak louder than words.
Who knows where the male cylons fit in with all of this.
Baltar's penis: destroyer of worlds.
Bwahahaha! So funny because it's true!
Roslin can be cold as ice
I love this part of her. Though hubby thinks she made a big mistake here, if Leoben does reconnect with the Cylon mind. I suppose we'll see.
Adama is a Cylon.
Assuming that the Cylons are new and haven't replaced existing humans (which yes, is a monumental assumption, but they haven't brought up the possibility on the show yet), I would think that the Adamas would be the most secure bet as real humans on the ship. One, because of Commander Adama's age and visibility (serving in the first war). Two--because William and Lee are blood relations.
Of course, that does open up all sort of freaky questions if one of them is, doesn't it?
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Adama has a past, his sons have a past, he was younger and grew older and these Cylons seem to have appeared at the age they are shown to us now without a past to speak of (family was destroyed or something else) and nobody seems to have known them before they showed up for duty. At least I think so.
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I think it's interesting that my brain automatically went to Ares first, cause it's Starbuck.
And now I also want to know if there is gender preference in BSG's style of worship of the greek pantheon (or does it have a planetary basis?). Though it does follow that Starbuck would be drawn to these two -- Athena and Artemis are both strong women. However, I would also associate Starbuck with Dionysis and Ares...
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That was an unexpected scene, I thought. Up till then I was almost sure that the Cylon got spaced mainly because of that allegation, because it showed clearly the danger of letting him continue with the mindfucks and starting obviously false rumours. But something must have stuck.
And I enjoyed the iciness. :-)