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Slightly tongue-in-cheek meta
I had a strange thought while watching the show. I’m not saying it was intended this way, but it does fit well. The cylons are fundamentalists! #6 tells Gaius that God has a plan for everyone, and that everything happens for a reason. These are both things that fundamentalist Christians believe. (Some non-fundamentalist Christians believe these also.) Fundamentalists also see women and sex, especially female sexuality, as evil and a sin. Female cylons like Sharon and #6 using their feminine wiles on human males to get want they want fits in with the fundamentalist view of women.

The question then becomes what constitutes God to a machine? Do they worship the original binary code of the first independent thinking cylon as the sacred text? Do they pour over the ones and zeros like the Bible code or Kabala?

ETA - Thought of something else. #6 - could that be short for 666? ;)

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I love Starbuck, and like that they have strong female characters. I *hate* the fact that the two female characters that are sexually active are both evil. They need to show Starbuck as very sexually active. Not with any of the main characters, but show her getting out of bed with different extras from time to time. Not only do I think this would fit her character, (She seems very much in the mold of eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we may die.), but it would counter the evil portrayal of female sexuality in the cylons.

I wonder if more of Sharon’s personality will take over the farther away they get from the cylon planet?

Edward James Olmos is playing the exact same character he played in Miami Vice.

WTF was the president using an analogy about a mistake with Apollo for? Based on current information, it was the right decision. So think about all the lives you saved instead of the ones that were lost and move on. This is war.

IIRC, all the cylons are connected, right? What one knows they all know?

Billy needs to offer the President some loving comfort as stress relief from time to time. It could just be physical on both their parts. She plans to break it off once she and Adama start getting emotionally involved, but he finds out first, and does *not* react well. *g* Either that or both Apollo and Adama could be attracted to her. *g*

Unfortunately I didn’t see any sexual chemistry between Starbuck and Apollo. Maybe that will change in future eps.

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"you move on." Because yes, you do, but it would be terrible if Apollo just forgot, you know?

Very much so. However, I think the original comment that the president's analogy was off is correct. It was good that she gave him permission to remember, and to be effected by the (potential) loss of all of those civilians, but she specifically named it a MISTAKE with her analogy. I don't think it was a mistake, and I was disappointed with her because of that. Adama's insistance that "you move on" (implying that you forget about it and put it in the past) was very GWB-like, which made me cringe. Roslin's approach was much more compassionate, which makes sense because she is a woman. I just wish she hadn't implied that "it's ok, you have to remember your mistakes so you don't repeat them", because the decision to blow up that ship was not a mistake based on the information that they had at the time. It was a hard, terrible decision to have to make, but it wasn't a mistake.

It was a hard, terrible decision to have to make, but it wasn't a mistake.

I don't know that they'll ever be 100% sure - I wondered what role their incredible fatigue played in their inability to find other alternatives...

I think she was not, perhaps, trying to say that she or Adama or Lee had made a mistake - just that that kind of choice can never become an easy one if they are to survive in the way that they WANT to be, if that makes sense. Anyway, I loved that they threw in that scene because I was, frankly, a little disappointed that Adama sort of dismissed what Lee was feeling so quickly.

I may be misremembering the scene, but I thought he was dismissing Apollo's doubts that they did the right thing more than dismissing the incident all together. Though I think he was definitely telling him to put the past behind him. I agree he was insensitive. However I think that makes the character much more interesting. IMO cutting off his feelings is the only way Adama's been able to get throgh this and do what has to be done. He's offering his son the solution he's found. I don't agree with the solution, but I think he was trying to help.

I just wish she hadn't implied that "it's ok, you have to remember your mistakes so you don't repeat them", because the decision to blow up that ship was not a mistake based on the information that they had at the time. It was a hard, terrible decision to have to make, but it wasn't a mistake.

That was my objection to it. If she had brought up a situation where a hard, but correct, choice was made that the former president often thought of, I would have had no problem with the scene.

Yes, I wish they'd made it clearer that while the second-guessing and feelings of horror and regret were normal and justifiable, it's not because any reasonable person would consider destroying that ship was a mistake.

If Roslin had just said that the late president had kept a list of everyone who died—rightfully or wrongly—because of his decisions, it would have worked.