Possibly, although I prefer the Occam's Razor approach (that's why I don't think Adama is really a Cylon, because we've seen no evidence that they can replace actual existing individuals with copies, etc.) - and since we don't know why the humans created the Cylons or what they were made to do, then I don't want to be in a position where I'm using something I've made up to even remotely justify their actions. What they say is not that they got tired of killing people or each other or whatever - they say that humans are corrupt, fallen on evil times, etc., and that their God has chosen them to replace humans and that's the basis for their genocidal campaign against humanity. Which really makes them much more religious fanatic than sinned against, for me...
Also, I would argue that even if they were somehow feeling brutalized by the humans who created them, this still wouldn't make them analogous to colonized peoples or even to slaves - because those individuals had cultures that existed independently of their colonisers, until the colonisers destroyed them along with the actual physical destruction of the people. The Cylons have no "independent" culture until, I suppose, recently when we have their belief in a new sort of god.
And getting back to Starbuck torturing the Cylon - as I said, on the one hand, it is repulsive to see someone you like very much doing something that's looks horrific; on the other hand, this is someone who exults unrepentantly in the destruction of much of what Starbuck holds dear (including presumably many of her friends, her family - however she feels about them - her entire civilization...) It's hard to blame her for acting as she does.
Again, though, it's a great episode - because it's made us all THINK so much ... I love it and I love the thoughtful post and discussion it's provoked!
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Date: 2005-02-27 07:17 pm (UTC)Also, I would argue that even if they were somehow feeling brutalized by the humans who created them, this still wouldn't make them analogous to colonized peoples or even to slaves - because those individuals had cultures that existed independently of their colonisers, until the colonisers destroyed them along with the actual physical destruction of the people. The Cylons have no "independent" culture until, I suppose, recently when we have their belief in a new sort of god.
And getting back to Starbuck torturing the Cylon - as I said, on the one hand, it is repulsive to see someone you like very much doing something that's looks horrific; on the other hand, this is someone who exults unrepentantly in the destruction of much of what Starbuck holds dear (including presumably many of her friends, her family - however she feels about them - her entire civilization...) It's hard to blame her for acting as she does.
Again, though, it's a great episode - because it's made us all THINK so much ... I love it and I love the thoughtful post and discussion it's provoked!